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Even calling it "deportation" is far too charitable towards what they've done. Deportation involves sending them back to their home countries or, if that's unsafe, to another country. These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives, without any of the due process even a foreigner who had committed a crime would normally be accorded in the United States under our constitution.

Great point and I'll add, by "would normally be accorded" you of course mean "is legally entitled to by our nation's foundational document."

Just to clarify - a prison without due process is more accurately called a "concentration camp".

"Prison" is for people convicted of crimes.


She's never been a reporter, and even in the kindest interpretation of her actions, it's starting to show.

> Fraud is illegal and should be punished proportionally to it's effects.

That's adorable.


It can’t push a block of gridlocked traffic that cannot move because of the dead waymos present out of the way.

Unless a few Waymos have gridlocked traffic, I'm not sure you can still blame them for this.

There's a case for it when it comes to FreeBSD specifically, since macOS uses some code from FreeBSD.

There's zero business case because they want to sell you a laptop and subscription to iCloud.

Improving FreeBSD will make it easier to run BSD on non-apple hardware which will eat into their bottom line.

The number of people who will buy a Mac to run BSD is a rounding error, and those people won't buy iCloud subscriptions anyway.


> Improving FreeBSD will make it easier to run BSD on non-apple hardware which will eat into their bottom line.

The number of people who want to run FreeBSD on their laptops probably numbers in the hundreds. Not exactly a threat to Apple's bottom line.

On the other hand, some of those people are FreeBSD developers who create and maintain code that Apple would like to have the option of using. That relationship is worth something to Apple.


>On the other hand, some of those people are FreeBSD developers who create and maintain code that Apple would like to have the option of using. That relationship is worth something to Apple.

It wasn't that long ago that we used to have to endure HN commenters spamming the same copypasta every time BSD was mentioned: "did you know BSD runs your playstation and netflix and <...>. You should donate money!"

Evidently it's not worth more than the cost of assigning engineers to this, otherwise Apple would already be doing it.


I don’t really follow any of this cynical humor but

> otherwise Apple would already be doing it.

The gap between what Apple ought to be doing, even if for no other reason than its own good, and what Apple actually does is sometimes pretty wide.


NeXTSTEP did but that was in the 90s. When Apple bought NeXTSTEP (and Jobs returned to the helm of Apple), they used that OS as the basis for macOS X.

Due to GPL, they release the sources to the BSD code they use. Everything else is proprietary.

Likewise Sony used BSD for PlayStation OS. They publish the sources to the changes to BSD they made, the rest is proprietary.


There's no GPL in the BSD sources used by Apple or Sony. They are free to release their operating systems as closed source; Sony does this. Apple releases Darwin sources "out of the goodness of their hearts", meaning, back in the 2000s they wanted to capture mindshare amongst the tech community for whom Linux was the strongest contender. Now that the future has refused to change, the year of the Linux desktop never materialized, and macOS has become the default developer's workstation OS, Apple has been much more sparing with Darwin source drops and may cease them altogether.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/oss/ps4/

https://opensource.apple.com/

GPL where applicable. If it's MIT or just "as is" then no, they won't but they definitely publish the sources to what they are required to. Since FreeBSD is "as is" 4.4BSD licensed, they aren't required to publish the sources of Orbis.


Why would BSD use GPL?

BSD has a BSD license. It doesn't require source code releases.


Only the kernel is BSD licensed, other tools in user land are GPL. Don’t be dense.

This is a wonderful self-own.

Perhaps the person you are responding to is dense enough to know that Apple uses a BSD licensed userland: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/file_cmds

Or perhaps they know that the entire system is built with Clang and LLVM and not GCC.

Apple distributes very little GPL code (like bash) and even then it is only GPL2 (older versions).


BSD utils in macOS are BSD licensed.

Good stuff. I followed the link to Good Scott's wiki page and learned he helped out on a text adventure as recently as 2018. That's pretty interesting.

What's different legally about the publications prior to 2000?

I don’t know, but they only opened the backfile up to 2000: https://www.acm.org/articles/bulletins/2022/april/50-years-b...

Or at least they haven’t explicitly announced anything in that vein for post-2000.


His podcast is really good. Its strengths are that he gets really interesting programmers and basically lets them talk.

In protest at the suspensions, over 120 out of the 400 Metropolitan Police officers authorised to use firearms handed in their firearms authorisation cards, with Glen Smyth, a Police Federation spokesman saying, "The officers are very concerned that the tactics they are trained in, as a consequence of the verdict, are now in doubt."[10] The officers' suspensions were lifted shortly afterwards.[11]

What a joke.


Many, many people think the tactics they're trained in are exactly the problem - a few hours at most training in deescalation, little to no training in recognising or dealing with the mentally unwell, hundreds of hours of training in putting a bullet inn somebody

To make money he would have needed to sell his shares, and they became worthless before the post-IPO lockup period ended.

they shouldn't have been.

From wikipedia

The company raised $132 million, offering shares at $30/share, but the shares opened for trading at $299/share, before closing at $239.25/share, or 698% above the IPO price, breaking a record for the largest first day gain.[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] Larry Augustin, the 38-year old founder and chief executive officer of the company, became a billionaire on paper and a 26-year old web developer at the company said she was worth $10 million on paper.[2] By August 2000, the shares were trading at $40 each[2] and only 24 mutual funds held the stock.[15] On December 8, 2000, one year later, after the bursting of the dot com bubble, shares traded at $8.49/share.[16]

per his essay he was given 150K shares. Even at the IPO price of $30 a share, that's 4.5 million. Do we not think the investment bank handling his shares would have been willing to take his whole stake at $30 a share?

But even if they wouldn't more than 6 months later it was still north of $40 a share (so $6mil or so) and even a year or so after the IPO, after the bubble popped, it was still north of $8 a share (so $1+mil).


I could be wrong! It seems to me like the terms of his options and his trade restrictions (he was a director of the company, he couldn't sell his shares willy-nilly) are important here, but I don't know the specifics.

He has, ahem, never exuded a "man of leisure" vibe. More power to him if he's actually loaded, I guess.


I'm not arguing that he's loaded, just that if he didn't make millions off VA, its more due to his own decisions than anything else. I could also be wrong, but it seems he had the opportunity to unload his stake if he really wanted to.

ISTR that the lockup period extended well after the delisting.

a year+ lockup seems insane.

90-180 days would be normal and was still trading above ipo price (not opening price) 180 days after ipo as i documented above.

with that said perhaps directors have a different form of lockup, can't say I have any experience with that.


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