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As a fork of Pluvia, it might be nice to specify what advantages GameNative has over it.

> Ubuntu has alphabetical order too, but that's only useful if you want to know if "noble" is newer than "jammy"

Well, it was until they looped.

Xenial Xerus is older than Questing Quokka. As someone out of the Ubuntu loop for a very long time, I wouldn't know what either of those mean anyway and would have guessed the age wrong.


> > I use zero so-called "AI" features in my day to day life. None. Not one.

> I know so many people who made that same argument, if you can call it that, about smartphones.

I had to use a ledger database at work for audit trails because they were hotness. I think we were one of the few that actually used AWS QLDB.

The experience I've had with people submitting AI generated code has been poor. Poor performing code, poor quality code using deprecated methods and overly complex functionality, and then poor understanding of why the various models chose to do it that way.

I've not actually seen a selling point for me, and "because Google is enshittifying its searches" is pretty weak.


I've been posting recently how I refactored a few different code bases with the help of AI. Faster code, higher quality code, overall smaller. AI is not a hammer, it's a Lathe: incredibly powerful but only if you understand exactly what you're doing otherwise it will happily make a big mess.

if you have to understand exactly what you're doing, why not just... do it?

That question completely misunderstands what AI is for. Why would I just do it when the AI did it for me in less time that I could myself and mechanically in a way that is arguably harder for a human to do? AI is surprisingly good at identifying all the edge cases.

i probably don't understand. the main thought i have re: llm coding is, why i would want to talk to a insipid, pandering chatbot instead of having fun writing code?

but, as an engineer, i have to say if it works for you and you're getting quality output, then go for it. it's just not for me.


It seems to me you're coming in with a negative preconceptions (e.g. "insipid, pandering chatbot"). What part about coding is fun for you? What part is boring? Keep the fun bits and take the boring bits and have the LLM do those.

> Faster code, higher quality code, overall smaller.

I'll have to take your word for it, I have yet to see a PR that used AI that wasn't slop.

> AI is not a hammer, it's a Lathe

I would liken it more to dynamite.


> I'll have to take your word for it, I have yet to see a PR that used AI that wasn't slop.

How would you know a non-slop PR didn't use AI?

Why would I accept slop out of the AI? I don't. So I don't have any.

I don't understand the disconnect here. Some people really want to be extremely negative about this pretty amazing technology while the rest of us have just incorporated it into our workflow.


> How would you know a non-slop PR didn't use AI?

I don't, hence why I have to take your word for it.

The PRs that people have submitted where they either told me up front or admitted to using AI after the review probed as to why they would be inconsistent in their library usage were not good and required substantial rework.

Yes, some people may submit PRs that used AI and were good. But if so, they haven't told me but I would have hoped that people advocating it would have either told me or got me to review, said it is good, and then told me it was a test and the AI passed. So far that hasn't happened, so I'm not convinced it's a regular occurrence.


Maybe the problem with understanding the benefits of AI is that you are relying on other people to use AI properly. As the direct user myself, I don't have that problem.

I'm using it to make things better rather than just producing. Even just putting it in agent mode and saying "look at all my code and tell me where I can make it better" is an interesting exercise. Some suggestions I take, some I don't.


> So much for User Agent.

User agent has been abused for so long, I forget a time when it wasn't.

Anyone else remember having to fake being a Windows machine so that YouTube/Netflix would serve you content better than standard def, or banking portals that blocked you if your agent didn't say you were Internet Explorer?


I mean forget that, all modern desktop browsers (at least) start with the string 'Mozilla/5.0', still, in a world where Chrome is so dominant.

Based upon traffic you could tell whether an IP or request structure is coming from a not, but how would you reliability tell which company is DDOSing you?

It should be at least theoretically possible: each IP address is assigned to an organisation running the IP routing prefix, and you can look that up easily, and they should have some sort of abuse channel, or at the very least a legal system should be able to compel them to cooperate and give up the information they’re required to have.

> are there sufficient problems that the average game-player at home has that are better answered by a Steam Machine than a Windows 11 box?

Absolutely. The UI on Windows 11 is not designed for couch gaming, and Microsoft licencing rules mean that you are not allowed to hide Windows.


> Microsoft licensing rules mean that you are not allowed to hide Windows.

What do you mean? As in - manufacturers can't create an overlay similar to Steam Deck's "Gaming Mode"?


As in

> manufacturers can't replace Explorer with a desktop similar to Steam Decks GameScope.

You have to use Microsoft's OOB experience. Improved with "handheld mode", but still not as slick and you are not allowed to improve it.

You can have a "full screen launcher", but you have to boot to Explorer and then run your Big Picture Mode.


Steam do on Windows through "Big Picture" mode.

Wow, what a shit working environment.

But they do know a Ponzi scheme.

Have you tried reaching out to enquire if you could buy a version that was at least LGPL or proprietary licenced for you to bundle in your closed source application?

Or was this just a statement about being entitled to other peoples work and closing it up?


I've had this with Android updates.

When you remove my ability to see if a Bluetooth device is connected with a security update, why would I willingly install any more of your updates?


Which update are you referring to? I don't have this behavior on my Pixel, which updated itself yesterday.

Yes, I should have said "Samsung" rather than Android for that, however I stopped with the Pixels when my Pixel 3 (I think?) received an update which caused buzzing in the earpiece, and every "fix" didn't fix it.

Though I think the 3 received the buggiest updates of any phone ever.


It was the Samsung Android 15 update from earlier this year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/1kjjeqo/how_...


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